In the second half of the conversation with Leo He Jhao, Leo describes his conception of "the Revolution." He sees it involving minimal bloodshed and leaving the global capitalist supply chains and manufacturing apparatus and agricultural capacity functioning free of the sort of interruption that would result in mass starvation and conflict over resources. KMO remains skeptical, arguing that any revolution that freed everyone from unjust coercion would disrupt the production of distribution of food and other goods, and any change that left the system functioning as it did before would more of a change in management than a revolution.
KMO talks with Chad Hill of the HipcrimeVocab blog about the origins of inequality. Chad thinks it all started with debt. Chad explains how the meaning of the term "Luddite" has changed since it was coined. KMO goes on a long rant about human brains don't seem to be up to the challenge of Facebook, and KMO and Chad exchange notes on the task of trying to write a book.
The conversation with Ben McCleish from C-Realm Radio 024 concludes here. Ben provides his perspective as a representative of the techno-optimistic Zeitgeist Movement on Ted Kaczynski's arguments for an anti-tech revolution. Later, KMO and Silas riff on the main points from the conversation with Ben.
The conversation ends with a discussion of geoengineering. A listener wrote in to offer up a counter-perspective offered up by Dr. Klaus Lackner on Radio Ecoshock.
KMO welcomes C. Derek Varn to the C-Realm Podcast to discuss topics related to Neopaganism, magick, the Enlightenment, technology, and Object-Oriented Ontology. Derick has published print interviews with both KMO and Keith418, the guest on C-Realm Podcast episode 317: Bind Nothing! Derek asks why anyone who enjoys the comforts and benefits of 21st Century life in the First World would feel the need to re-invent and practice ancient religions, and this leads into a discussion of familiar C-Realm themes involving technology, energy, resources limits, and the potential lure of the Peak Oil narrative as a palliative for cubicle-induced alienation. KMO ends the episode with a reading from an essay by Bodhi Paul Chefurka on the need to reduce the human population by voluntary means before Malthusian forces make the cuts for us.