Non-wonks, when talking about politics, tend to use "liberal" and "leftist" interchangeably. If you go to the dictionary (or Wikipedia) definition of the word, most people living in contemporary democracies, including Republicans and libertarians, should count as liberals because they believe in free markets, free speech, a free press and democratic processes. But Rush Limbaugh and an army of imitators have spent their careers changing the definition of the word "liberal," and our political conversations are now hopelessly confused as a result. Leo He Zhao is determined to unmix the terms and distinguish "liberals," who want social progress under capitalism, from "leftists" who oppose capitalism.
The conversation with Angela Nagel from C-Realm Radio 027 concludes here. Thereafter, KMO and radio co-host, Silas, gush over Rogue One: A Star Wars Story.