A while back (on CRV episodes 246 & 248) KMO and Doug Lain talked at length about Charles Murray and the wrath that he draws to himself from the forces of wokefullness. Irv Mills, blogger and long-time friend of the C-Realm, read The Bell Curve at KMO's suggestion and wanted to make his case for saying the Charles Murray is really wrong on some important points. Here is that conversation. It is rich with the juicy goodness of the supposed statistical correlation with race and IQ. Dangerous conversation ahead.