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Remeber that who war in Afghanistan thing? These guys remember.

Remeber that whole war in Afghanistan thing? These guys remember.

For the final C-Realm conversation of 2016, KMO and Doug Lain looked to this piece on under-reported stories of 2016 to try to get away from talking about the election, Donald Trump, and the circular firing squad formation on what passes for the "left" in the United States. They start with the Afghan war, 15 years on and seemingly running like a zombie background process, and soon get sucked back into the social/corporate media obsessions of the day. If you're not a regular listener to the Waking Up Podcast with Sam Harris, you might want to check out the episode in which he talks about Trump and Putin with chess champ, Gary Kasparov. KMO references it extensively in this conversation with Doug Lain.

239: Democracy in a Box

KMO welcomes Afghanistan war veteran, Jacob George, to the program to talk about cycling for peace, war resistance from inside the military, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, Military Sexual Trauma, and the misguided attempt to impose Western social norms and political structures on the tribal societies of Afghanistan.

Music by Madeline Ava.

Veterans On Cross Country Biking Pilgrimage to Protest the War in Afghanistan by Nick Copeland

You won't hear it in the episode, but in the conversation with Jacob I described this episode of the Diane Rehm show: