KMO talks SF and integral psychology with Dr. Keith Witt. The conversation draws upon the work of Frank Herbert, Robert A. Heinlein, Arthur C. Clark, A.E. Van Voyt, and Gene Wolfe. The conversation also touches on David Brin’s criticisms of George Lucas and the Star Wars mythology. Afterwards, KMO summarizes the four energy descent scenarios described in David Holmgren’s book, Future Scenarios: How Communities Can Adapt to Peak Oil and Climate Change. He gives special emphasis to the description of the “brown tech” future which is very similar to the future described in Margaret Atwood’s novels Oryx and Crake and The Year of the Flood.