379: Maladaptive Mind Candy

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C-Realm_379_coverFor the last several years, KMO has devoted the episode of the C-Realm Podcast that falls closest to September 11th to a discussion of the pivotal events of twelve years ago. In that time, he has grown impatient with the obsessions and the tunnel vision of the 9-11 Truth Movement. This year’s 9-11 episode actually happens to fall on September 11th, and Tom Barbalet joins KMO for what may well be the last ever 9-11 themed episode of the C-Realm Podcast. Tom argues that a thorough-going knowledge of the history of the Mujahideen and its relationship with Western powers provides a clearer insight into the events of 9/11/01 and subsequent developments than does an obsessive quest to uncover shadowy conspiracies and evidence that 9-11 was “an inside job.”

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  • bankstah

    Huh? 9-11 was an inside job. That has been established with 100% certainty.

    • http://c-realm.com KMO

      100% certainty? Case closed, then? Great! Let’s move on.

    • silversilversilver

      Barbalet likes to poo poo the jet-a vs steel argument, but in the end he does seem to believe the conspiracy though. The way it stands now I think all 3 towers were artificially brought down (not by those planes that lost most fuel upon impact fireball), and this was done by the US neocon shadow government that’s in power till this very day. (stretching from at least bush sr till obama admins)

      http://www.corbettreport.com/episode-280-who-was-really-behind-the-911-attacks/
      http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-748-james-corbett-on-the-psychopolitics-of-911/

      • silversilversilver

        Guns & butter Kevin Ryan “Another Nineteen – Investigating Legitimate 9-11

        and some fun footage I found on liveleak with students chasing petraeus off CUNY haha

        http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1fa_1378987742

        “piece of sheeet”
        “It’s petraeus! he’s a war criminal!”
        love it haha

        • peakchoicedotorg

          Guns and Butter would be a much better show if they had a fact checker. Parts of what they air are true, parts are nonsense.

          If the organizing principle is that the government lies, but there’s no organizing principle to how you get to the truth, then anything is possibly the truth. People will organize around disinformation just as easily as information. The way covert operations do effective disinformation is they give the truth to the people who are discredited and they give the lie to the people who have great credibility – the way they disinform from both ends and confuse people. They put out stories – as we know from the assassinations – that will lead us down false paths, that will lead us to false sponsorships.
          – John Judge, Coalition on Political Assassinations, conference on the 37th anniversary of the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, June 5, 2005

          “One of the primary means of immobilizing the American people politically today is to hold them in a state of confusion in which anything can be believed and nothing can be known… nothing of significance, that is.”
          – E. Martin Schotz, “History Will Not Absolve Us: Orwellian Control, Public Denial, and the Murder of President Kennedy”

          “A honey pot, in intelligence jargon, is a tempting source of information or ‘dangle’ that is set out to lure intended victims into a trap. Ultimately the honey pot is violently and maliciously discredited so as to destroy the credibility of anything stuck to it by association.”
          – Michael Ruppert, “Crossing the Rubicon,” p. 184

          “There’s fool’s gold because there’s real gold.”
          – 13th-century Persian poet Rumi

          “The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.”
          – Nietzsche

          • http://c-realm.com KMO

            The C-Realm Podcast would be much better if I had a fact checker.

          • http://c-realm.com KMO

            And an engineer, an investigative producer, a full-time webmaster, a gaggle of interns and MacArthur Foundation grant.

  • peakchoicedotorg

    Covert operation is a better description than inside job.

    http://c-realm.com/podcasts/crealm/275-nine-eleven-turns-ten/
    275: Nine Eleven Turns Ten
    September 14th, 2011

    KMO welcomes Mark Robinowitz of OilEmpire.us to the C-Realm to separate verifiable claims from wild science fiction-inspired fantasies concerning the events of September 11, 2001. Mark answers 9/11 skepticism from Gwynne Dyer, and guides the listeners through the treacherous tangle of 9/11 conspiracy theories, the nuttiest of which are held up by the establishment and mainstream media as being the scaffolding upon which suspicion of complicity in the attacks stands or collapses. In the second half of the program guest host Olga K interviews her friend Kevin Ryder, a New York City yoga instructor who responded to the attacks by flying to Pakistan and crossing over by bicycle into Taliban-controlled Afghanistan to serve as volunteer peacemaker. Music by the Transpersonals.

    A shocking crime was committed on the unscrupulous initiative of a few individuals, with the blessing of more, and amid the passive acquiescence of all.
    – Tacitus

    http://www.oilempire.us/911.html

    September 11 is a political Rorschach Test. Most perspectives contain pieces of truth but are wrong.

    The official story that there are Muslims who want to attack the US has some truth but ignores how that anger is a reaction to US intervention in the Middle East. The 9/11 Commission claimed the feds were too incompetent to “connect the dots” and creating a surveillance society is needed to prevent a repeat attack.

    Many liberals / leftists / progressives highlight “blowback” — the attackers were motivated by revenge for US policies. But blowback alone does not explain how the attacks were allowed to happen. US allies provided specific warnings about who, what, where and when. The FBI agents who tried to stop the attacks were blocked by headquarters, which was obstruction, not incompetence.

    The 9/11 truth movement correctly says there was a deliberate conspiracy but their most popular claims contain discrediting disinformation. Mixing true conclusions with false evidence — conspiracies to make fake claims of conspiracy — is an effective way to cover up conspiracy.

    The media correctly state that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, thermite isn’t used to demolish buildings and the firefighters watched the twin towers and Building 7 bulge and lean before they fell down. They ignore the suppressed warnings, the best evidence of complicity.

    Neither the media nor some of the conspiracy crowd highlight the CIA’s “plane into building” exercise and the NORAD war games that morning — the real failure to connect the dots.

  • say_no_to_freeloaders

    Well, that was an (awful) hour of my life I’ll never get back. Both of your “arguments” are based on ad hominem and strawman attacks, with (especially KMOs) frame of reference drawn from Hollywood movies! Reducing the IRA to “The Crying Game”- really!? Your geopolitics are arrogantly outdated (Iraq wasn’t a “3rd world country”), your incorrect polarisation of “Mainstream media” and “fringe” is a misconception and your dismissal of scientific facts (such as WTC7) can only be a result of too many psychedelics. The only point I agree with is to have a wider scope when researching, which if you had done this, you’d see it was Corporate Government that really established the Mujahideen via the CIA. Is C-Realm a Christian Cult? .

    • peakchoicedotorg

      Building 7 came down because part of the north tower fell onto it, gouging a 20 story hole in the south side of it. The firefighters watched it buckle and lean all afternoon. The demolition claim is as bogus as the no plane hoaxes. It’s fortunate the twin towers stayed standing as long as they did which allowed most of the people below the impacts to escape.

      http://www.oilempire.us/wtc7.html – comments from firefighters about why 7 collapsed

      Meanwhile, the best evidence of suppressed warnings and overlapping wargames is ignored by the “truth” movement and the supporters of the “surprise attack” paradigm.

    • http://c-realm.com KMO

      Tom asked me to play an association game. “What 5 IMAGES come to mind when say “IRA”?” Well, given that I get my news mostly via print and radio and have for decades, the names of people and organizations leaped to mind, but I did not have corresponding images. The images that did come to mind were largely nonsensical not obviously associated with the IRA. When some relevant images did come to mind, they were from the movie “The Crying Game,” and so that is what I mentioned. My agreeing to play this association game with Tom does not amount to my “reducing” the IRA to those images.

      Your comment about my having done too many psychedelics is childish and hypocritical given that you opened your communication by accusing me of employing ad hominem attacks.

  • jameyhecht

    Hi KMO,

    I’m an admirer of your work, having been a C-Realm listener for the past year or so. I’ve just posted an open letter to you on my blog, PoetryPoliticsCollapse. Here’s the link:

    http://poetrypoliticscollapse.blogspot.com/2013/09/an-open-letter-to-kmo-of-c-realm.html

    Respectfully,
    Jamey Hecht

  • Phil T

    Dear KMO,

    Ref 2013 911 show

    Thank you for all your efforts to make a place in the media landscape
    for thoughtful, considered, intelligent chat. I am a vault subscriber so waited
    with interest to find out what more Tom Barbalet might have to say to enlighten
    me, perhaps to join once again consensus reality, with respect to the atrocity we
    call 911. What a joy that would be I imagine. I knew it was unlikely, yet Tom
    seems so self assured and he is undoubtedly a super clever guy. His point was
    that we didn’t realise that some people, victims of American aggression, were
    likely to strike back at the US?

    OK I understand that most people in America don’t focus on foreign
    news so the fact that there are people upset about being bombed is news. I am a
    Brit for my sins (if you could hear me talk you probably would subconsciously
    hear the evil villain from 99% of Hollywood blockbusters). As a Brit friend of
    mine, who sat next to some particularly ignorant American folk in the dining
    room of a cruise liner, explained – they honestly believed that America (and
    often I admit the British)was coming and bombing foreigners to help them out,
    because otherwise they couldn’t manage to sort out their democracy for
    themselves. There are levels of ignorance.

    But the idea that poor old architects and engineers know so
    little about the way jet fuel will behave in the circumstances of 911? Come on,
    a quantity of jet fuel is delivered to the upper story of the structure and 7
    buildings virtually disappear in a cloud of dust? Including ones that had not
    been hit? I really don’t believe Tom is really thinking about this, he would
    like to believe the official story and so he mocks the ‘ignorant’ who know less
    than he does. Actually I was relieved when KMO bought up building 7 and Tom suggested
    that it fell down due to seismic shock or something because I then realised I
    was listening to a man whose arrogance allowed him to speak of matters where he
    completely lacked information. I am inclined to reverse the accusation of
    another commenter and prescribe more psychedelics to open the mind a little
    here.

    There was a little chuckle between KMO and Tom about the believers in a space weapon zapping
    the buildings. Oh dear I guess what follows puts me into the total ‘wack job’
    category.

    If you actually
    listen to what Dr Judy Wood has to explain and maybe read her book she is fastidious
    in her analysis of the available evidence. She asks a fascinating and far
    reaching question in the title of her book – “Where did the towers go?”. This lady,
    whose work was casually mocked, has observed and noted some extraordinary anomalies about
    what occurred . Her book includes seismic charts from the event and the shock
    waves from the destruction of the twin towers were very small, not enough to
    fracture the basin which retained water from flooding the area of the city. To
    quote my fictional fellow countryman, Sherlock Holmes :

    –“How often have I said to you that when you have
    eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however
    improbable, must be the truth?”

    I will not attempt to bottom line the work of Dr Wood she
    speaks of a ‘directed energy weapon’ and admits that such a thing is not
    currently in the public domain but her arguments are unassailable because they
    arise from observations of the data. Check her out, Tom is clever but is not thinking
    on this subject enough to check out what he is talking about, Judy is clever
    and she I suggest opens the door to what really happened on 911.

    Weird stuff I guess. Thank you for all your work KMO I don’t
    normally get off my arse and write but I did today and I am grateful for the
    opportunity. All the best to Olga.

    Phil T

    • peakchoicedotorg

      I hope – for her sake – that Ms. Wood does not actually believe the nonsense she is promoting as alleged “truth.”

      And the buildings did not “disappear” into a dust cloud, tons and tons of debris rained down on all of the surrounding buildings, including WTC 5, 6 and 7. 7 had a 20 story hole in its side, the first time a skyscraper has ever fallen onto another skyscraper.

      9/11 foreknowledge and complicity has nothing to do with the collapse of the towers, but it takes more brain power to connect the dots about suppressed warnings than it does to create science fiction hoaxes about the demolition of the towers. It’s a good thing the towers didn’t collapse upon impact, that delay allowed most of the people below the crashes to escape.