273: From the Heart to the Fringe

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In the second half of KMO’s recent face to face interview with Charles Eisenstein, the conversation picks up where the previous episode left off. Charles describe the coming gift economy, and KMO channels John Michael Greer to challenge the notion of a rapid, practically miraculous, transformation of consciousness and society. Near the end, the conversation veers to more esoteric and potentially treacherous narratives.