250: Singularitarians and UFOlogists

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Larry Lowe talks with Nikki Olson, a Singularitarian blogger who attended the 20th Anniversary International UFO Congress. She noted a lack of tech-savvy young people at the event, and she took the audience to be overly credulous. Even so, both Nikki and Larry think that the usually insular UFO and Singularity communities each have something useful to offer one another. Larry does double duty as he admirably represents both the community of rational UFOlogists and the usual contingent of C-Realm concerns. The episode also features clips from Terence McKenna (taken from Psychedelic Salon episode 258) and James Burkeas well as commentary from Eric Boyd.

Music by Kyrstyn Pixton
Why the future doesn’t need us: Our most powerful 21st-century technologies – robotics, genetic engineering, and nanotech – are threatening to make humans an endangered species. By Bill Joy

 

Larry's Show Notes: 

Singularity Weblog
http://tinyurl.com/6zlv2fn

The Singularity and UFOs: Can ET Teach Us Anything about the Singularity?
by Nikki Olson on March 4, 2011

The connections between extraterrestrial life and future technology are numerous, and have been 
widely discussed in science fiction literature and by physicists such as Michio Kaku. There is 
basic logic to the connection: if life in other galaxies is able to travel to our galaxy, it is 
thought, then we should assume their technology is more advanced than our own and that they have 
already reached their ‘Singularity.’

Travis Walton http://www.travis-walton.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Walton

On Monday, November 10, all of Rogers' remaining crew took polygraph examinations administered 
by Cy Gilson, an Arizona Department of Public Safety employee. His questions asked if any of 
the men caused harm to Travis (or knew who had caused Travis harm), if they knew where Travis's 
body was buried, and if they told the truth about seeing a UFO. The men all denied harming 
Travis (or knowing who had harmed him), denied knowing where his body was, and insisted they had 
indeed seen a UFO.

Excepting Dallis (who had not completed his exam, thus rendering it invalid), Gilson concluded 
that all the men were truthful, and the exam results were conclusive. Clark quotes from Gilson's 
official report: "These polygraph examinations prove that these five men did see some object 
they believed to be a UFO, and that Travis Walton was not injured or murdered by any of these 
men on that Wednesday". If the UFO was fake, Gilson thought, "five of these men had no prior 
knowledge of it". 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRAZm40_KAc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIrxegLNGd0

Fire in the Sky http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LhshgLJuuM

In 1993, Walton's book was adapted into a film, Fire in the Sky, directed by Robert Lieberman 
and starring D. B. Sweeney as Travis Walton, Robert Patrick as Mike Rogers and Scott MacDonald 
as Travis's Brother Dan Walton. Clark writes that the film found "Moderate success, mixed 
reviews, and ufologists' complaints about its inaccuracies and exaggerations." (Clark, 650) 
Especially inaccurate was the portion of the film detailing his time on the UFO; it bears almost 
no resemblance to the original narrative. 

In the renewed publicity generated by the motion picture, Walton, Mike Rogers and Allen Dallis 
agreed to take polygraph examinations at the behest of "a skeptical ufologist, Jerry Black". 
(Clark, 650) Again, the tests were conducted by Cy Gilson, and the men all asserted that the 
events as they related them were true. Gilson concluded that all three men were truthful in 
regard to their responses about the events of November 5, 1975.

Lloyd Pye http://www.starchildproject.com/dna2010.htm

In Brief: A modified "shotgun" DNA recovery technique has been successfully used to recover 
coherent segments of the Starchild Skull's nuclear DNA. Of the (approx.) 3 billion base pairs in 
the skull's genome, several thousand have been recovered. These nuclear DNA fragments have been 
analyzed by the National Institutes of Health BLAST program, and a substantial percentage of that
DNA has "no significant similarity" to any DNA previously found on Earth.

These results have been verified and repeated; however, more DNA needs to be recovered and 
analyzed before a formal report can be completed.

Law of Accelerating Returns http://tinyurl.com/29e82vw

An analysis of the history of technology shows that technological change is exponential, 
contrary to the common-sense “intuitive linear” view. So we won’t experience 100 years of 
progress in the 21st century — it will be more like 20,000 years of progress (at today’s rate). 
The "returns," such as chip speed and cost-effectiveness, also increase exponentially. There’s 
even exponential growth in the rate of exponential growth. Within a few decades, machine 
intelligence will surpass human intelligence, leading to The Singularity — technological change 
so rapid and profound it represents a rupture in the fabric of human history. The implications 
include the merger of biological and nonbiological intelligence, immortal software-based humans, 
and ultra-high levels of intelligence that expand outward in the universe at the speed of light.

Phoenix Lights plus 14: Still no answers http://tinyurl.com/4kkb83a

If you assume it is a very large universe and realize that, given the exponential rate of 
technological progress just beginning to take firm hold of human civilization, a civilization 
that was at our state of development a mere one hundred years ago would appear to us to have 
advanced 20,000 years in the last century and if you take the thousands of reports from credible 
citizens at face value it is reasonable to conclude that the Phoenix Lights observations is what 
it seemed to be:  a gentle but deliberate display of advanced technology intended to provide 
enough eye-witness testimony and personal experience to spark the recognition that humanity is 
not the only intelligent life form capable of operating on earth.

The original Battle of Los Angeles 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhjkMoWLE_Y
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles

The Battle of Los Angeles, also known as The Great Los Angeles Air Raid, is the name given by 
contemporary sources to the rumored enemy attack and subsequent anti-aircraft artillery barrage 
which took place from late February 24 to early February 25, 1942 over Los Angeles, California. 
The incident occurred less than three months after the United States entered World War II as a 
result of the Japanese Imperial Navy's attack on Pearl Harbor, and one day after the Bombardment 
of Ellwood on February 23.

Initially, the target of the aerial barrage was thought to be an attacking force from Japan, but
speaking at a press conference shortly afterward, Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox called the 
incident a "false alarm." Newspapers of the time published a number of sensational reports and 
speculations of a cover-up. A small number of modern-day UFOlogists have suggested the targets 
were extraterrestrial spacecraft.[3] When documenting the incident in 1983, the U.S. Office of 
Air Force History attributed the event to a case of "war nerves" likely triggered by a lost 
weather balloon and exacerbated by stray flares and shell bursts from adjoining batteries.

[Host note:  The USAF History does not explain why 1400 rounds of high-caliber anti-aircraft 
fire could not take down a 'lost weather baloon.']

Battle:LA 
http://www.battlela.com/
http://www.reportthreats.org/  [Viral marketing website - some confabulation]

What are they?

Richard Dolan
http://tinyurl.com/4odw34c

I have come to a different conclusion. I concede that my position is provisional, and may change 
in time. But the more I reflect on it, the more persuasive I find it. It is that the UFO 
phenomenon is the product of an artificial intelligence. Advanced machine intelligence, vastly 
outstripping our own, biological, intelligence.

Now, many people believe that machine intelligence is involved somehow in the phenomenon of UFOs.
What I am suggesting is that it is the driving force.

I assume that I am not the only proponent of this idea, but I am not aware of any other UFO 
researcher who has expressed it in this way. Back in the 1960s, there was one writer whose 
thoughts moved in this direction, or who at least entertained the possibility. That was Ivan 
Sanderson, surely one of the most original thinkers ever to write about UFOs.

It is a shame that Sanderson, a biologist by profession, wrote only two books on UFOs. It is a 
greater shame that he is all but forgotten today. His first book, Uninvited Visitors (1967) 
remains among the most sophisticated analyses yet done on the possible nature of UFOs (Sanderson 
called them Unexplained Aerial Objects, or UAOs).

Too long to summarize here, Sanderson methodically asked, not what UAOs were, but what they 
could be. He developed a six page outline of the possibilities. Thus, they could be inanimate 
or animate. If inanimate, they might be natural, or artificial, each possibility with several 
subsets. If animate, they could also be natural or artificial. Natural forms might include 
life-forms indigenous to space, or to atmospheres, or to solid bodies. Artificial forms might 
be domesticated natural life-forms, genetically created life forms, or biochemically created 
life forms. And so on.

Sanderson at several points suggested the possibility that the "occupants" of UFOs might be 
artificial life forms. He was not dogmatic about this, and also entertained the idea that they 
might be an as-yet unknown life-form indigenous to Earth. Still, the concept of UFOs as a form 
of artificial intelligence is fertile enough that we might have expected some follow-up.

Another Tenant in the Building http://tinyurl.com/4kdaoqv

KMO talks with rational UFO researcher Larry Lowe about the possibility of a co-indigenous 
terrestrial intelligence as the source of at least some reported encounters with "aliens." KMO 
and Larry wrestle with the problem of "high stangeness" in experiencer accounts that renders 
them completely incredible regardless of the credibility of the witness. They also listen and 
respond to audio clips from George Knapp and Terrence McKenna and consider the possibility that 
the aim of the mysterious Other is to goad humans in the direction of a holistic, ecological 
style of consciousness. Music by Jungle Physicians.

Exponential growth http://tinyurl.com/46tsj9t

Time to act on humankind's big favorites of "Exponential Growth" - the new (excessive comfort) 
and also the old (many children) "growth factors" call for new ways. Their ethical and 
governance dimensions are breaking beyond today's very basics of politics, economy, society and 
self. No one dares touch them, but negligence is not an option.

Dan Chay explains in a few minutes why exponential growth must lead to collapse. he shows 
examples from the world of bacteria and asks "Are Humans Smarter Than Yeast?". Dan hopes so, 
and urges us to become aware of taking a turn on the growth issue in our rapidly growing 
societies. Especially, because the obvious effects of exceeded growth appear very sudden and 
when it is already too late - to sustain the "good times"

Singularity University http://singularityu.org/

Singularity University  is an interdisciplinary university whose mission is to assemble, 
educate and inspire leaders who strive to understand and facilitate the development of 
exponentially advancing technologies in order to address humanity’s grand challenges. With the 
support of a broad range of leaders in academia, business and government, Singularity 
University hopes to stimulate groundbreaking, disruptive thinking and solutions aimed at 
solving some of the planet’s most pressing challenges. Singularity University is based at 
the NASA Ames campus in Silicon Valley.

Singularity Summit http://tinyurl.com/5cmtl5

The Singularity Summit is an annual conference focused on the Singularity and related 
converging technologies such as robotics, nanotechnology, brain-computer interfaces, and 
artificial intelligence.

Founded in 2006 by the Singularity Institute, Ray Kurzweil, and Peter Thiel, the inaugural 
summit was held at Stanford, the first academic symposium focused on Singularity dialogue.

Past speakers have included Doug Hofstadter (author of Gödel, Escher, Bach), Peter Norvig 
(Google Director of Research), Sebastian Thrun (Stanford AI Lab Director), Rodney Brooks 
(MIT Professor of Robotics), Justin Rattner (CTO of Intel), and Stephen Wolfram (CEO and 
Founder of Wolfram Research).

10 Questions for Ray Kurzweil http://tinyurl.com/37n8lne

Q: You predict we'll reach a point with artificial intelligence that you call the singularity. 
How will that affect us?

A: By the time we get to the 2040s, we'll be able to multiply human intelligence a billionfold. 
That will be a profound change that's singular in nature. Computers are going to keep getting 
smaller and smaller. Ultimately, they will go inside our bodies and brains and make us healthier, 
make us smarter. We'll be online all the time. Search engines won't wait to be asked.

Q: Do you think we'll find intelligent life elsewhere in the universe?

A: The consensus in the field is that there's somewhere between a thousand and a million 
technologically advanced civilizations just in our own galaxy. But once you get to a point 
where we are, within a few centuries at most, these civilizations would be doing galaxy-wide 
engineering. It's impossible we wouldn't be noticing that. So my conclusion is that we may be 
the first.

[Host note:  Mainstream academia, Kurzweil included, persists in proceeding from the fallacy 
that there is no evidence of advanced intelligence in the universe.  It seems that they either 
have not read the credible literature or have failed to comprehend it.

UFOs and the National Security State: Chronology of a Coverup, 1941-1973 
Dolan, Vallee
http://tinyurl.com/4lsecqj

The Cover-Up Exposed, 1973-1991 (UFOs and the National Security State, Vol. 2) 
Dolan
http://tinyurl.com/4bv25m9

UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go On the Record 
Kean
http://tinyurl.com/4f69nap

I Know What I Saw
Fox
http://tinyurl.com/45cxk6d]

Betty Andreasson's alien abduction and NDE http://tinyurl.com/3pesvk

Now the Elder touched Betty's shoulder. There was a little explosion of white light, and 
then they were in a different place: a hospital room, where a very old man lay in a bed, 
with a nurse keeping vigil beside him. And there was more: two small entities which seemed 
to be made of darkness where tugging at the man, as if trying to pull his soul out of his 
body - this was Betty's impression. But there was also present a light-being; this was a 
type of entity Betty had encountered before in her experiences - it had no visible human 
features, but appeared as a bodily form made of white light. This being was also tugging 
at the dying man; it was clearly a battle for his soul between these opposing entities. The 
Elder resolved the conflict: he threw two tiny balls of light at the black entities, and 
they flew away.

Alien Abduction Experience http://tinyurl.com/4nnn3rl

It appears that some experiences of UFO-abductees and mind control victims may be explained 
by an advanced virtual reality technology. The late Dr. Karla Turner called these experiences 
Virtual Reality Scenarios (VRS) [19, 20]. There are alleged mind control victims who claim 
that someone implants pictures in their brain [32]. If someone has been implanted with an 
intracerebral device, then the implant operators may be able to implant electronically pictures 
and memories into the brain of the abductee. The New World Vistas was a major undertaking for 
the USAF Scientific Advisory Board (SAB) [33]. This military publication was published in June 
1996 and is a forecast of possible military developments over the next 50 years. In this 
publication military scientists suggest that the development of electromagnetic energy sources, 
the output of which can be pulsed, shaped, and focused, coupled with the human body in a 
fashion that will allow one to prevent voluntary muscular movements, control emotions and 
actions, produce sleep, transmit suggestions, interfere with both short-term and long-term 
memory, produce an experience set and delete an experience set.

Highest Strangeness - Body Containers http://tinyurl.com/4dv79za

“I got the impression that the aliens do not like to do this
soul transfer (to cloned body containers) very often.”
- Linda Porter, California Abductee 

I put Linda Porter's audiocassette in my tape player and heard the following about an encounter 
she had when she was 17-years-old in 1963 in Porterville, California: “I was shown a room with 
very tall, clear, tube-like containers or cylinders on a raised platform, which seemed to be at 
the center of the room. Inside these tubes - standing upright, naked, and appearing to be 
asleep - were humans, or at least they looked human to me. They looked like they were in some 
kind of suspended animation.

“I don't think they were dead because their color was too good. They were floating in what 
appeared to be a purple gas. It was very thick and hard to see through, but it swirled around 
so much that you could see the people as it moved.”

Linda Porter said she was taken by a “grey scientist” to a room where three people were in 
tubes. She felt the people were alive, but in a state of suspended animation and that the man 
on far right was a younger clone activated by a “soul transfer” from his previous older body 
that Linda watched die in a rectangular container. 

Linda Porter: “My sketches relate to the following - I was taken into ‘the room of light’ and 
shown a man about forty-six-years-old, who was very close to death. He was lying in a clear, 
rectangular container.

I do not remember the mechanics of how this was done, but his soul was then lifted up out of 
his dying body! It left the body in the area of the solar plexus (behind stomach organ). It 
was about 2.5-feet-long, five inches wide and was a breathtakingly beautiful, soft, iridescent 
yellow with a white, glowing inner core that radiated a very gentle heat. There was a pastel 
orange layer around the yellow. 

Hologram Universe Reality http://tinyurl.com/6bx6v42

They use their very advanced telepathic abilities and their technology to create manipulated 
artificial dreamscapes within a sleeping abductee's mind. They also use astral abduction where 
the abductee is placed in virtual reality scenarios. Some of these scenarios are used in 
combination with their telepathic abilities and mind control technology to make the abductee 
resort to self destructive behaviors such as drug abuse or sexual promiscuity. I guess they can 
even turn someone into a serial killer. They also use implants that are designed for the sole 
purpose of mind control. They use their telepathic abilities to influence and mind control the 
abductee. They also have technology to remotely mind control the abductee. 

They also have chambers in the form of transparent rectangular boxes. The abductee is placed in 
the chamber. Then some kind of electronic equipment and machinery are activated. The abductee's 
life force is then extracted and transferred into storage containers. They also extract 
biological tissues and fluids. 

Quantum Mechanics and Consciousness: A Causal Correspondence Theory http://tinyurl.com/cku3z4

The problem of the relation between mind and body is well known as a difficult `world knot'. 
Over the centuries various monistic and dualistic theories have been proposed, and the subject 
has had renewed interest as we try to assimilate the implications of quantum physics. These 
implications may make us reexamine our views of brains and bodies, but it is still not clear 
what consequences they have for our understanding of minds. 

Another proposal by Marshall (1989) is that the mental and bodily realms derive directly from 
a quantum realm, as separate appearances of an underlying structure given by quantum mechanics. 
Since the unity of mental experience is one of its outstanding features, the proposal is that 
consciousness arises from a quantum mechanical structure which shows remarkably unity, namely 
Bose-Einstein condensates. This therefore requires not only that the brain amplifies quantum 
indeterminism, but also that long-range and long-time correlations of quantum phases are set 
up in the brain, by means for example of a structure proposed by Fröhlich.

Both these proposals go some way toward connecting the apparently disparate realms of mind and 
brain. From the physics side, both have quantum mechanics holding virtually unchanged. They 
furthermore then both require that neuro-physiological processes are in some essential way 
`quantum processes'. They require then that the peculiarly quantum features of matter become 
much more spatially spread out in the brain than is usually admitted. In the language of physi
cs Marshall requires that non-local correlations (of the kind described by Bell's Inequalities) 
are set up between parts of the brain that are very far apart on the atomic scale, and hence 
that the brain exhibits some of the characteristics of `quantum computers' as described by 
Deutsch (1985). There is a difficulty that this implies much larger quantum effects than have 
ever been observed in materials at room temperature. There is evidence of unusual microwave 
absorption, but it is not clear whether this really demonstrates quantum correlations as 
distinct from sets of coupled classical (non-quantum) oscillations. 

Consciousness and Quantum Mechanics http://tinyurl.com/dt59g

As we explore further into the quantum realm, things only get stranger. With the evaporation of 
matter, determinism, and finally separability, our hero Schrödinger began to get a bit worried, 
for as he looked further into the unexplored territory, he saw some very odd things, indeed. 
What was most disturbing to Schrödinger was the fact that when an atom was not observed it could 
be in a potential state and then—just by merely measuring it— we somehow trigger the projection 
of the potential to the actual. To illustrate just how odd this situation is, Schrödinger 
imagined performing the following experiment with a cat.

Supernatural Fingerprints of the Gods Graham Hancock http://tinyurl.com/662fdtl

As part of his research for Supernatural, Graham Hancock traveled to the Peruvian Amazon to 
drink the powerful plant hallucinogen Ayahuasca with indigenous shamans. Such visionary 
experiences, Hancock argues, were fundamental to the unprecedented and astonishing evolutionary 
leap forward achieved by our species during the past 40,000 years and provided the inspiration 
for the earliest art and religious ideas of mankind. It is difficult for those who have not 
experienced Ayahuasca, or other related shamanic hallucinogens, to visualise the strange 
parallel realities into which these substances bring us. Fortunately, however, a number of 
shamans in the Amazon are also gifted artists and have made paintings of their own visions. 
Through these paintings it is possible for all of us to get some glimpse of the Ayahuasca 
Otherworld – which, mysteriously, is not a different place for each different individual who 
drinks Ayahuasca. On the contrary, whether experienced by an Amazonian shaman, or an American 
lawyer, or a European businessman, or a Japanese fashion designer, the Ayahuasca realm is 
always recognizably the same place, inhabited by the same intelligent beings with the same 
mission to teach us important truths about ourselves and the nature of the universe. 

http://tinyurl.com/6zyubrv

I operate on the assumption that our education system, media and indeed our entire society 
today combine to give massive support and unquestioned acceptance to the orthodox side of the 
argument. Until I and a few of my colleagues like John Anthony West and Robert Bauval began to 
speak out there was really no counterbalancing view at all! And even now, although we've managed 
to get some people's attention - and some television time - we're still in every sense 
outnumbered and outgunned.

So the way I see it it's not my job to be "balanced" or "objective". On the contrary, by 
providing a powerful, persuasive single-minded case for the existence of a lost civilisation, 
I believe that I am merely restoring a little balance and objectivity to a previously unbalanced 
situation. There exists a vast array of academic "experts", on comfortable and secure salaries, 
with the resources of full university departments behind them, whose life's work is to churn out 
endless refinements and confirmations of the orthodox theory of prehistory. These scholars, and 
their many fans and chums in the quality media, do not hesitate to mount Doberman-like attacks 
on any who try to argue in favour of a lost civilisation. The Dobermans also systematically 
ignore all forms of evidence that cast doubt on the established view (for example the 
implications of the astronomical alignments of the Pyramids of Giza) while at the same time 
accusing us "alternative historians" of being "pseudo-scientists" who dishonestly "select" only 
evidence that supports our case and who ignore or even misrepresent contradictory data.

http://tinyurl.com/6gnr37a

Less than 50,000 years ago mankind had no art, no religion, no sophisticated symbolism, no 
innovative thinking. Then, in a dramatic and electrifying change, described by scientists as 
'the greatest riddle in human history,' all the skills and qualities that we value most highly 
in ourselves appeared already fully formed, as though bestowed on us by hidden powers.

His quest takes him on a journey of adventure and detection from the stunningly beautiful 
painted caves of prehistoric France, Spain and Italy to remote rock shelters in the mountains 
of South Africa where he finds a treasure trove of extraordinary Stone Age art.

He uncovers clues that lead him to travel to the depths of the Amazon rainforest to drink the 
powerful plant hallucinogen Ayahuasca with Indian shamans, whose paintings contain images of 
‘supernatural beings’ identical to the animal-human hybrids depicted in prehistoric caves and 
rock shelters. And Western laboratory volunteers placed experimentally under the influence of 
hallucinogens such as mescaline also report visionary encounters with exactly the same beings. 
Scientists at the cutting edge of consciousness research have begun to consider the possibility 
that such hallucinations may be real perceptions of other 'dimensions.'

Could the ‘supernaturals’ first depicted in the painted caves and rock shelters be the ancient 
teachers of mankind? Could it be that human evolution is not just the ‘blind’, ‘meaningless’ 
process that Darwin identified, but something else, more purposive and intelligent, that we have 
barely even begun to understand? 

http://tinyurl.com/2wjvpr

On 6th July 1960 Lt Colonel Harold Ohlmeyer, a United States Airforce Commander, sent a reply 
to a letter from one Professor Charles Hapgood who had requested his opinion on a feature found 
on a map of 1513 AD called the Piri Reis Map. Lt Colonel Ohlmeyer's reply was a bombshell. The 
map, showing the coastline of the east coast of the Americas and the west coast of Africa, the 
Colonel remarked, also seemed to show the coastline of Queen Maud Land in Antarctica free of 
ice - a condition it had not been in for some 9000 years!

In fact, it is only in recent times that modern man has been able to map this coastline using 
sub-surface surveying techniques that can penetrate the ice sheet that lies on top of it.

Ohlmeyer had no idea how a map existing in the 16th century could have got hold of such knowledge. 

Could the Piri Reis maps be evidence for a previously unknown complex maritime civilisation, 
capable of mapping the globe? A global culture, cataclysmically destroyed at the end of the ice 
age, remnants of which survived the devastation to pass on their knowledge to the shaken world?

Were the figures of Osiris and Quetzalcoatl survivors of this lost race - passing down not only 
advanced geographical knowledge, but a secret astronomical code veiled in myth that pointed to 
the devastation in the past, and warned of that which is to come?

From the mysterious sites of Tiahuanaco and Teotihuacan, to the enduring enigmatic Sphinx and 
pyramids of Egypt, the grandiose Nazca lines of Peru to the stark primal beauty of the Osireion 
at Abydos, this is a journey both around the globe and into the heart of the true prehistoric 
origins of man. Part adventure, part detective story, this book will force you to revaluate your 
beliefs of the past.

James Penniston on the Joiner report Audio Library
http://tinyurl.com/47c67kg

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  • http://l33tminion.livejournal.com/ l33tminion

    Finally, a singularitarian who understands the absurdity of making predictions about the post-singularity!

    Also, Eric’s “Why have the aliens failed?” rant was brilliant.

    • http://c-realm.com/ KMO

      “Why have the aliens failed?”

      I too enjoyed Eric’s comments, though it seems to beg the question of whether the aliens/advanced beings have, in fact, failed in their objective.

      It seems that if we are to pronounce the ET/AB program a failure that we would have to know what it was that they had hoped to achieve and the time frame in which they hoped to achieve it.

  • http://warnwood.livejournal.com/ warnwood

    What Eric misses in his commentary is that the ongoing Japanese nuclear disaster is, to a degree, a devastating critique of the “resilience” of the system he is touting.

    Tokyo’s buildings may not have come tumbling down as a consequence of the 9.0 earthquake as the buildings of San Francisco did in 1906, but its water and a portion of its food supply are being steadily polluted with the radioactive material spewing out of the still out-of-control damaged reactors, and a significant portion of the Japanese economy (in the industrialized NE region) is being significantly and continuously eroded. In time, the region surrounding the crippled power plant may become a radioactive dead zone similar to that which currently surrounds Chernobyl.

    Long term consequences both economic and, more importantly, environmental, both locally and globally, of what is essentially a catastrophic system design failure can not at this time be known. In short, it’s still too early to tell if this situation will somehow manage to become a shining example of the resilience of the system, and I wonder how many such “examples” we can afford.

    And have we really “solved” the global credit crisis of 2007-09, or are we simply reliving the early part of the Great Depression, the part that seemed to indicate a recovery was underway when in fact the worst was yet to come? Looks to me as if we’ve just papered over the problems by turning on the government printing presses, hoping for a speedy recovery here and abroad, in much the same way the Japanese keep minimizing reports of the extent of damage from their reactor disaster. We saved the banks, but did we save the system? Or did we simply “design in” a hack that will fail with much more devastating consequences later on? Again, too soon to tell.

    I share Eric’s feelings about Nikki’s Olson’s near-religious faith in the ability of our technological prowess to solve problems such as resource depletion, species extinction, population overshoot, and global climate change. She seems to utterly miss the point, that these are problems inherent in our technological prowess – doesn’t even consider them to be on the scale of the problem of what to do about rogue AI!? Perhaps the second part of this interview will offer a bit of nuance to her position, but I really felt that at this point, she and Larry were talking right past each other.